HD Shoptalk with the HT Guys, Part Two
Dolby Podcast Episode 17, June 21, 2007
The HT Guys, Ara Derderian and Braden Russell, join Jack and Craig to talk about Digital Cinema, 3D Digital Cinema, Video on Demand and more.
Don't miss the HT Guys' first visit to Dolbycast in HD Shoptalk with the HT Guys, Part One on June 7, 2007.
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Mentioned in this Episode
Jack Buser: Hello and welcome to Dolbycast, the insider's guide to entertainment technology from the experts at Dolby Laboratories. I'm Jack Buser.
Craig Eggers: And I'm Craig Eggers.
Jack: And we are here to give you the straight talk on everything you need to please your ears. Hello, Dolbycast listeners.
Craig: Please your ears.
Jack: I'm Jack Buser.
Craig: Oh, and I'm Craig Eggers.
Jack: And we are together Dolbycast. And again we have some very, very special guests. Thank you again for coming on the show. It's always such a pleasure - the HT Guys.
Craig: Oh, I thought you were talking about me.
Jack: No, no. Sorry.
[laughter]
Ara Derderian: We had such a good time on the last one. Yeah, we had a great time.
Jack: Well, we had you guys here in the office. We figured we did one and it was just so much fun, what the heck, let's go for a twofer because we had so many things to talk about. And ah -
Ara: You know, that intro - the very special guest - you know, have you seen the Jump the Shark website...
Jack: I have not.
Ara: OK. Jump the Shark is when they talk about when shows just go beyond the point where they are watchable anymore.
[laughter]
Ara: And one of those is when they have the very special episode you know...
Jack: Oh yes.
Ara: A very special this.
Jack: Very special.
Ara: So when you announced us as a very special guest, I'm thinking, "Oh man, we just -
Braden Russell: That's it.
Jack: Very special.
Ara: Jump the Shark is when on Happy Days when Fonzie jumped the shark pen. That's when they said Happy Dayswas done.
All: Oh!
Ara: So that term now in Hollywood is - you may hear it now that your ears are pinned back - when did that show jump the shark...
Jack: Well everyone, welcome to a very special episode of Dolbycast where Craig Eggers will be jumping over a shark pen.
[laughter]
Jack: Listen you guys, one thing we didn't talk about last time around, I want to just jump straight into it, is digital cinema. Going out to the movies and seeing something in beautiful digital cinema - give me your opinions. Have you been to a movie lately...
Ara: Well, I mean yeah. I just took the kids to see Meet the Robinsons in 3D Digital Cinema.
Jack: 3D Digital Cinema.
Ara: And it was amazing.
Jack: Yeah.
Ara: You know you talk about a reason definitely to go because we are admittedly home theater guys.
Jack: Yeah.
Ara: You know I'd rather watch, you know, just who I am, I'd rather sit at home with my kids than do just about anything else, which sounds pathetic but it's true.
[laughter]
Ara: But you know there is definitely a reason to go to the movie theater when you're talking about seeing digital…
Jack: Absolutely.
Ara: …e specially the 3D experience. You had that with sound. The sound has always been kind of all around you. Now you have the video you know kind of pulling you in. It was just a blast. I thought it was a great time.
Braden: One of the things I like about digital cinema is the experience is the same 4 weeks later as it is on opening night.
Craig: Right. [laughs]
Braden: Film looks great on opening night and a lot of people will say film looks better than digital, but the problem with film is that it will degrade over time. Digital cinema looks the same, you know 4 weeks later.
Jack: That's right.
Braden: So you keep that pristine quality.
Jack: Absolutely.
Ara: So we have been working in digital cinema, as you guys know. And we have also been working in an extension of digital cinema called 3D.
Jack: Yeah, so I mean you saw some 3D demos. What did you think of that...
Braden: It was absolutely incredible and one of the things I liked about it was you didn't make you get nauseous.
Jack: Right - the old 3D - [laughs]
Craig: Some 3Ds - the video style -
Braden: It looked real. Some of the stuff was the countdown.
Jack: Yeah.
Braden: And it just took it right out there - this is audio so it's hard to explain.
Jack: He's referring to the Dolby Digital Cinema trailer, where they have the countdown before the show starts.
Braden: Right. And it just looked incredible. And then we saw a trailer for the U2 concert. Sign me up as soon -
Jack: Filmed in 3D.
Braden: As soon as that comes out I'm there.
Jack: Any thoughts from you guys about seeing a concert in digital cinema in 3D...
Ara: I think it would be, it's exciting - what we saw was amazing. You know... You feel like you are in the audience, you know... You could see the things that are going on in the audience. It's happening in 3D like you're sitting right there. The crowd is all around you and the sound. So it feels like, I mean you don't even have to go to the concert anymore because you don't have to worry about the sound.
Jack: You know what... If they could do that real-time and do a live concert -
Braden: Oh man!
Ara: Now you can go to any concert you want as long as there was some venue that was playing it but that would be incredible.
Jack: That is not bad. OK, I'm writing this down. I'm writing this down.
Craig: All right, while you write that down I want to add one other thing. You know, we've seen digital cinema transition from replacing film with digital projection to now in 3D. Someplace else the cinema can go is to more speakers, more channels.
Jack: Now you guys heard a little bit of that today. You heard some special demos of -
Ara: I don't recall. Didn't we get our brains erased?
Craig: 24 channels...
[laughter]
Jack: Any comments on hearing - basically for our listeners out there, we had the HT Guys in and we played them a very special demo.
[laughter]
Jack: A very special demo of basically -
Craig: In one of our working laboratories here -
Jack: In one of our working laboratories, our research and development division was kind enough to set up a system that not only had a system that surrounded you in 360°, but also enveloped you with what we are calling “canopy speakers”, speakers actually up above your head. So we can not only do front to back, left to right but we can also do up and down. So any initial impressions of what that experience was like...
Ara: I love it. I love the idea of speakers above you.
[laughter]
Ara: There have always been the rumors, you know from even when we were back at Sony Pictures about putting that god speaker.
Jack: Yeah.
Ara: In the theater so that you can have something up above you. We talked about it last time of feeling like something's going on above you even though there are no speakers up there.
Jack: Right.
Ara: But if you specifically had a speaker above you that someone could mix and use, that just adds so much to mention to -
Braden: Exactly, that's a good word - dimension. Well, you know we talked about the 3D picture, if you will, that gave us a 3D audio. I know it kind of sounds odd when you talk about audio, but it was like you were inside, actually outside but the nice thing about it was that you felt as if you were there from an audio point of view. Whereas with the 3D picture, you looked like you were there too, so pretty soon they're just going to wire into your brain.
Jack: That's right, holodeck, here we come.
Craig: Now we should say to all those concerned - significant others and financial management committees - you know, 20 channels is not going to come to the home theater anytime soon.
Jack: Your home theater.
[laughter]
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Craig: But you know when you talk about revitalizing the theater going experience, when you now have 3-dimensional video and 3-dimensional audio that has expanded -
Jack: Oh, it's just so amazing.
Braden: There are more than 20 different possible speaker configurations for igital cinema.
Jack: Awesome.
Craig: Moving forward, I'm really looking forward to the cinema experience as it evolves.
Jack: Absolutely. Well listen, on that note we better jump to our first break in this podcast. When we come back we're going to talk about it more about On Demand - one of my favorite topics. We'll be right back.
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Announcer: Jack and Craig would love to answer your questions. Email them at dolbycast@dolby.com.
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Craig: And back at Dolbycast. I'm Craig Eggers. He's Jack Buser. And we have 2 very special guests.
Jack: We have Ara and Braden from the HDTV Podcast. The URL is HTGuys.com and if you like Dolbycast, you will love the HDTV Podcast. Be sure to check them out.
Craig: And if you don't like Dolbycast -
Jack: [laughs] You're probably not listening anyway.
Craig: Yeah.
Jack: But you should probably, you know check out -
Craig: Check them out anyway, right... So, Braden, did you want to say something...
Braden: I've got absolutely nothing to say.
[laughter]
Craig: Nothing to say...
[laughter]
Craig: All right, then I'll say something.
Braden: You've got the floor. Go for it.
Craig: So, in our previous segment we were talking about the cinema and revitalizing the cinema, bringing digital cinema, bringing 3D, bringing multiple channel configurations, creating that huge immersive sound. But, you know quite frankly, there are times you just want a lounge out at home.
Jack: Well, I'll tell you what, that doesn't happen very frequently with me.
Craig: No...
Jack: Actually it happens with me all the time. [laughs] All the time. Listen, sometimes I just can't be bothered to get up, can't be bothered to go to the movie store, can't be bothered to go to the cinema, can't even be bothered to walk down the street to rent a movie.
Craig: And that's where On Demand is really cool.
Jack: On Demand. We haven't talked near enough about On Demand. So why don't you guys take it away... What's great about On Demand... What is it that you look for in an On Demand service... Do you use it...?
Braden: I have absolutely nothing to say. No, I'm just kidding.
[laughter]
Braden: I love On Demand. I'm a big fan of simultaneous release. I know nobody else is, but I would love the idea that I could pay extra and On Demand the movies that I don't want to get up and go to the movie theater for, the same night they come out at the theater...
Jack: Oh, that's a great idea.
Braden: But there's a lot of people who don't like that idea.
Jack: Really...
Craig: Well, the cool thing about that, too, is with On Demand, you're getting high-definition video and a multi-channel surround sound track from Dolby already.
Braden: Yeah. If I can get that full experience at home, even if it costs me extra, I'd do that, because I can't just physically get out and see every movie in the theater when they come out.
Craig: Or wait for the disc.
Braden: Right.
Ara: So one of the benefits that cable has is they can provide you that On Demand. I'm a satellite subscriber, and it's not very easy for them to provide On Demand. One of the things they're working on, and I know we've seen a beta of this, is being able to, in the background, downloading a bunch of movies to your digital video recorder.
Jack: Right.
Ara: And so, if they say your video recorder stores 35 hours of programming, it will actually be able to store maybe, say, 70 hours, but they're reserving the other 35 hours for movies that they download. And you'll have a display on your screen: "Here are the movies that are on your hard drive."
Jack: Oh, that's cool!
Ara: So you press “play”, and boom, the movie plays.
Jack: So it's like an On Demand experience, yeah.
Ara: Exactly. But it has to take a little time for them to preload the stuff, and then what'll happen is, after a certain period of time, it'll delete automatically. And you'll only get charged if you watch the show. So that's one of the ways that satellite companies are doing that, and being a satellite subscriber, I wish they'd hurry up.
Jack: [laughs]
Craig: There you go.
Braden: They had to play catch-up for a little while, because you were getting less than DVD quality, you weren't getting the Dolby Digital track, so you were paying the same money as you would to go out and rent a DVD, but you weren't getting the same experience. Now that the technology is catching up, it makes a whole lot of sense. You don't have anything you have to worry about taking back to the store or anything else.
Jack: Yeah. And a lot of On Demand now is going high-def. I noticed that the number of movies On Demand in high-def is actually growing.
Braden: And it makes them watchable.
Jack: Well, absolutely. Absolutely. Especially if you haven't yet bought an HD DVD or Blu-ray player and you want to check out movies in high-def, you've got high-def cable, check out On Demand, because they do have some high-def selections there. You can see what watching movies in high-definition is like.
Braden: And a lot of people think that the download, not necessarily On Demand, but the download model for movie distribution might take over pretty soon. And so you'd be able to download high-def movies and have any library of anything out there.
Even when you get to TV, IPTV, and being able to just subscribe to a show, and whenever new episodes come out, it'll download it. And it's kind of an a la carte system, so I don't have to pay all the money for the channels I could care less about. And I won't mention those, because I always get crucified on our show...
Jack: [laughs]
Braden:..when I pick a channel I don't like, I get a ton of emails on, "How can you not like that..."
Jack: [laughing] "I love that show!"
Ara: But let's be honest, not a lot of our listeners are watching Oxygen.
Braden: OK, now you picked it. I didn't pick it.
Craig: [laughs]
Braden: I didn't say it. I didn't say it.
Jack: I watch Oxygen. I watch Oxygen!
Craig: [laughs] The Color Purple was on last week, guys.
Jack: Oh my gosh!
[laughter]
Ara: [laughing] Sorry.
Craig: Steven Spielberg, come on!
Jack: Now listen, so I want to bring it back to On Demand for a minute. We talked a little bit about the Internet. What do you guys see as the role for Internet in home theater... Is there anything...
Ara: Well, I think it's a natural extension of podcasts. Of course, you've got your video podcasts, they're still calling them podcasts. But for instance, one of my favorites is Tiki Bar TV.
Jack: Tiki Bar TV.
Ara: That's like a 5-minute series. I would love to see them start doing full-length, high quality...
Jack: They went widescreen.
Ara: That's great. I love that widescreen.
Jack: [laughs]
Ara: And you know what the interesting thing is, I've played that back on my 65-inch Mitsubishi TV...
Jack: It doesn't look half bad.
Ara: It didn't look that bad. So I imagine they can give you a little bit higher data rate. Of course, it would take a little bit longer to download. But pretty soon, you're going to be subscribing to television shows, like Lost. We were talking about that. And you are going to get really high quality programming available. Anyone who wants to put together a show can.
Jack: Did you guys see the announcement the other day from ABC, that ABC.com, they've been putting a lot of TV shows, so you can go there and watch episodes, maybe, that you've missed of their TV shows.
Craig: That's right.
Jack: Just go to ABC.com. It's all available there, for free. It's all ad-supported, I suppose; they show you little ads.
Ara: Right.
Jack: And there was an announcement the other day that they're going to start doing high-definition through ABC.com.
Ara: Yeah, in July, they're going to come out with 5 of their shows in HD streaming right on the Internet.
Jack: Wow.
Braden: And it was a trend this year that shows, when they got canceled early, some of the broadcasters would put them up on their website, so if you were really into it, instead of it just disappearing and you don't know what happened...
Jack: [laughs] That's right. That's right.
Braden: You could actually go see the rest of the 5 episodes, if you want to download them and watch them online. So I think it was a pretty cool way to please everybody, because no one was watching it except for those people who really, really wanted to.
Jack: And for them, they can go in the Internet.
Braden: Yeah.
Ara: If you think about it, it's kind of like a beta program for a television show.
Jack: That's a great idea.
Ara: You can put it on there, see if there's interest, and they can say, "You know what... We're going to promote you to the actual network." So that's a way to kind of see if a show works.
Jack: Now, Craig, you have a particular program on the Internet that we should probably refer to again...
Craig: My Joe Woody...
Jack: No!
[laughs]
Craig: [laughs]
Jack: What is that...
Craig: That's the McDonald's rap, man. Don't you remember that...
Jack: Oh yeah. [laughs]
Craig: That's the coolest thing in the world!
Jack: Have you guys seen the McDonald's rap...
Ara: No.
Braden: No.
Craig: You haven't seen the McDonald's...
Jack: You have not. Oh.
Craig: I'll send it to you.
Ara: OK. Thanks.
Jack: And if any of the Dolbycast listeners out there have not yet found the McDonald's rap, write us... [laughs]
Craig: It's the Joe Woody McDonald's rap. They go through a drive-through and the guy goes through a whole rap as to what he wants to order.
Jack: From McDonald's.
Craig: The interaction between the guy doing the rap and the person on the other end is just...
Jack: It's pretty funny.
Craig: It's funny. It's great. It's cool.
Jack: So we talked about the Internet. Craig, you also had another topic that you wanted to bring up, I know, which was specifically games.
Craig: You know, guys, I have to blame Jack on all of this, because it was through Jack that I became introduced to surround sound in games. We did a CEDIA show about 2 years ago, had Madden Football on. It's like being down in the stadium with the guys on the field. And I know from experiences from working with some of our games group people, when you're online and playing other people online—and I understand some people had a bad online experience...
Ara: It wasn't a bad online, I just kept getting killed.
[laughter]
Braden: It wasn't a bad experience, it was a short experience.
[laughter]
Craig: It was short! [laughs]
Jack: [laughing] Short experience, yeah.
Ara: I regenerated all the time.
Craig: But the cool thing with some of these video games now is you can actually hear your enemy creeping up from behind you, and you wouldn't die as rapidly if you had a surround sound system.
Jack: [laughs] Yeah. "Hey, wait a minute!" Yeah. [laughs]
Craig: Yeah. [laughs]
Ara: I agree. I bought an Xbox 360 for my kids. You don't see the air quotes for "my kids..."
Jack: [laughs]
Ara: Actually, they play Viva Piñata. Have you ever played that...
Jack: That's a great game.
Ara: Yeah. It's a great family game.
Jack: Absolutely.
Ara: And you get addicted. But anyway...
Craig: Ara didn't tell everybody, but his kids are 30 and 35.
[laughter]
Craig: He bought the games for his kids, you know.
Ara: Oh, no, not that old. OK. But anyway, one of the games I really like is Call of Duty 3.
Jack: Yeah.
Ara: And talking about what you're saying, the sounds. I turn the volume way up, my wife's yelling at me, "Turn it down!" I can't hear her because it's so loud.
Craig: Loud is good.
Ara: I enjoy the whole aspect of things blowing up way off in the distance—and you hear it, in the distance.
Jack: Yeah.
Braden: got to have a lot of explosions.
Jack: Now, you also have a particular game console, I know, that's under investigation now.
Braden: It's under investigation, yeah.
Jack: Why don't we talk about this a little bit...
Braden: We have applied to the finance committee...
Jack: [laughs]
Braden:...for purchase approval. I'm looking at getting the PS3.
Jack: Yeah.
Braden: Because it's got HDMI, it's a Blu-ray player, it does pretty much everything. And I'm not much of a gamer. I never really had the time.
Ara: You will be. [laughs]
Jack: [laughing] Yeah, I was going to say.
Braden: With high-def games, I could be convinced, probably. But I haven't played games since my Pong system when I was a kid.
Ara: Pong. [laughs]
Jack: You're in for a treat, I tell you what. [laughs] Pong wasn't exactly in high-def 5.1 last time I checked. Although, a high-def 5.1 version of Pong might be kind of cool.
Ara: [laughs]
Braden: [laughs]
Craig: There you go.
Jack: For any of you game developers out there listening, that one's trademarked Jack Buser. [laughs]
Craig: You might want to think about a different strategy. Instead of applying to the finance committee, why don't you just go out and buy the finance committee a thank you gift...
Braden: We've done that on the show. Actually, Ara did that, where we just went out and bought something.
Craig: Uh-huh.
Braden: It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
Jack: [laughs]
Craig: [laughs]
Braden: So on the show, Ara called in and asked for forgiveness for a purchase he made.
Craig: And I understand he slept at your house that night...
Ara: [laughs]
Braden: Yeah, he didn't get to go home that night.
[laughter]
Jack: So PlayStation 3. You've got the HDMI. Any particular titles that have caught your eye... Have you checked out the games yet for PlayStation 3...
Braden: I haven't checked out the games. I'm looking at it more as probably the least expensive Blu-ray player right now.
Jack: Yeah.
Braden: And that's the number 1 factor for me, and the gaming would just kind of be like an added bonus.
Jack: We've actually heard stories of a lot of custom installers—these are people that come into people's homes and get paid money to actually set up systems for folks—choosing the PlayStation 3 as something that they've added to the kit that they use for their setups now.
Braden: The one issue I have with it is it doesn't have IR control [infra-red remote control –Ed.], so my Harmony remote can't control it as a Blu-ray player.
Jack: Oh. Oh, oh, oh...
Braden: So that's the one thing that would be an off issue.
Jack: I've got to tell you, I am addicted to that Bluetooth remote that they have, for some reason, I don't know what it is. Because I use Harmony as well, so it's got the Harmony remote, and then I've got the PlayStation 3 remote right there. And I've got to tell you, Bluetooth as a remote control protocol is just TOO cool. Talk about a lazy man's paradise. I'm laying there on the couch, remote in hand. You don't have to point it at anything.
Ara: Yeah, exactly. That's a nice thing.
Jack: You just press the button and it goes. I don't know why all remotes aren't Bluetooth.
Braden: Well, some of the cool things about that is the 2-way feedback, too, eventually, that they could integrate into remotes.
Jack: Sure. That's not a bad idea.
Braden: With IR, it's kind of fire and forget, and hope that it works.
Jack: Exactly. Hope that it works, exactly. Exactly.
Craig: I have a question for our guests: how many home theaters do you actually have in your homes... How many systems do you guys have...
Ara: I have 3.
Craig: You have 3...
Ara: Yeah.
Jack: Only 3...
Ara: Yeah.
Jack: [laughs] I'm joking.
Ara: 3 TVs.
Braden: It depends on what you call a “home theater”.
Craig: Full surround and display.
Braden: With the full surround sound system and all that kind of stuff, I've got 2.
Craig: 2.
Ara: Yeah, then, 2 and a half.
Craig: 2 and a half...
Ara: Because I don't have the full 5.1 in the master bedroom.
Craig: So I've got a 5.1 and a 7.1, and Jack, you've got what...
Jack: I've got one big ole 5.1.
Craig: One big ole. One big ole.
Jack: 106-inch projection screen. I've got the 5.1. In the side room. I kind of went to town in the living room, and let's just say I'm not going to be allowed to go to town in the other... [laughs]
Craig: I'm thinking in the next house, I'm going to take the 5.1 and the 7.1 and combine them together and get like 12.3.
Jack: There you go. Not a bad idea.
Craig: What do you think...
Jack: Well, listen, on that note, Craig's 12.3 system... [laughs]
Craig: [laughs]
Jack: We're going to be going to a break, and when we come back, we're going to be talking a little bit more about home theater with the HT Guys.
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Announcer: You're listening to Dolbycast, with Jack Buser and Craig Eggers. For answers to your audio questions, email dolbycast@dolby.com.
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Jack: And welcome back to Dolbycast. I'm Jack Buser. And this guy's Craig Eggers. And we've got the HDTV Podcast crew here with us. The URL is HTGuys.com. They do the HDTV Podcast, and boy, let me tell you, I'm a huge fan. Craig, are you a huge fan?
Craig: Now can I talk?
Jack: Yes, you may talk.
Ara: [laughs]
Craig: Thank you.
Jack: OK.
Craig: I'm a huge fan of the podcast.
Jack: [laughs]
Braden: Well, if you're going to say that, you can talk.
[laughter]
Ara: Yeah, please feel free.
Jack: Listen you guys; this is going to be our last topic of the Dolbycast, having you guys on here. We hope to have you back again someday; this has been such a total blast, let me tell you! Thank you so much for coming on. But before you go...Craig...
Craig: A question: How do you guys evangelize the whole home theater experience... How do you guys talk up the fact that you're getting these incredible pictures and this incredible surround sound into companies; the total immersive experience we talk about...
Ara: Well a lot it, we enlist the help of our listeners. We call them “HDTV Ambassadors”. So a lot of our listeners have very good setups at home, and we say, "Bring your friends in; demo it for it, " because it's hard to explain. We've used the example, Braden, i t's kind of like going and getting LASEK surgery. The before was standard definition and the after was high definition.
Jack: Oh, that's a good one.
Craig: That's cool.
Ara: That's for the video. But the audio - it's hard to explain. So that's why we have people go out, and you have to listen to it; you have to actually feel it...
Jack: Yeah.
Craig: That's right.
Ara:...And crank up that bass.
Jack: Yeah, we're constantly fighting that battle on the show: Telling everybody: Look, the video is only half of the story on HDTV. You know, if you really want the full experience, you have to have video and audio.
Craig: I like this guy.
Braden: You go to the store and there are 8,000 TVs and 2 speakers. Right... So it's hard to see it at the store, but you're missing half of what you should be getting watching HDTV if you're just looking at it.
So we do try to make sure that our listeners are telling people, "Look, come over to my house; check it out." And once you see it you won't go back. It's like black and white and color TV. If you had the choice to watch color, why would you choose to watch black and white?
Jack: I'm with you!
Ara: Well Braden came over - I just built out a new media room - and Braden came over. Before one show I said, "Braden, you've got to watch this." So I put in a DVD, and you know how you have the Dolby digital logo... The audio logo... So I cranked it way up.
[laughter]
Ara: And you felt...I mean the chairs were shaking! The couches were shaking.
[laughter]
Ara: And my daughters were downstairs and they go, "Dad! The walls are shaking!"
Craig: Cool!
Jack: [laughing] That's the point! What... I can't hear you!
Ara: I don't think I've ever played it that loud. But I mean, it was incredible. You have to feel it, and that's what I'm talking about. You're not going to watch a movie that loud, but...
Jack: [with emphasis on "you're"] You're not going to watch a movie that loud! [laughs]
Craig: I get so much flack for this from Jack, but I have to say this. You know, it's not always about helicopters. It's not always about big booming sounds.
Jack: What... [laughs]?!
Craig: It's about that total immersion. And here we go Jack — are you ready...
Jack: Go ahead.
Craig: Bridges of Madison County.
Jack: Bridges of Madison County: Craig's favorite movie.
Craig: One of the final scenes in that movie, where they pull into town and it's raining, and you have rain beating on the tin roof of the truck. And you've got thunder that starts from behind you and rumbles towards the front, and the piano bringing in the emotion. You play something like that and I guarantee the financial committee as well as the enthusiasts are going to enjoy it.
Ara: Yeah, but even one step beyond that: Talk about dialogue. What do you hear most in a movie...
Craig: Precisely.
Ara: I have a very good center speaker; I just purchased it for the new room. I am hearing nuances in just people talking that you never heard before. It got to at one point where it was almost distracting because I was listening to it. But you get over it, and eventually I was just listening to regular. But it's so nice to hear those kinds of nuances. I think there's stuff people never even heard before.
Jack: No, that's true. And there's the scene actually in Predator, when he takes the chain gun and mows down the forest. The nuances...
[laughter]
Craig: The chain gun!
[laughter]
Ara: Oh, I love that one!
Jack: You have a lot of explosions! [laughing] Man, that's what I like to show off. You can hear the nuances...
Ara: They empty shells, hitting the ground!
Jack: Hitting the forest floor!
[laughter]
Ara: Those are subtle nuances.
Jack: You guys, it has been so much fun having you on the show. Thank you so much for taking the time.
Ara: Absolutely. We had a blast.
[music]
Jack: Absolutely! Well listen, it's been fun for us as well. Craig, I don't want to speak for you, so...
Craig: Don't speak for me, Jack.
Jack: I won't speak for you.
[laughter]
Jack: So have you had a blast?
Craig: It has been very interesting working with you on this particular session, Jack.
Jack: [laughs] It has been...
Craig: I have to tell you, it's great working with pros, Jack.
[laughter]
Craig: It's been very interesting working with you.
[laughter]
Jack: Thank you. Thank you very much. Well, listen, that is the end of this very special [laughing] episode...
Craig: Very unusual...
Jack:... Dolbycast, and we'll see you next time. Thanks again, you guys.
Craig: Thanks, guys. We really appreciate it.
[music]
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