Dolby Podcast Episode 27, November 8, 2007
Jack and Craig talk about highlights from the 2007 IFA show in Germany and the 2007 CEATEC show in Japan, including video displays – Sony’s Kuro line, and Dolby’s HDR video technology – and the VUDU box. Listener, Dusty, gets 2 solutions for his HDMI connection issue: the Gefen HDMI 1.3 switcher and Key Digital’s line of products. For music listeners, Craig highlights some of the great DVD-Audio from Rhino Records.
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Jack Buser: Hello! And welcome to Dolbycast, the insider's guide to entertainment technology from the experts at Dolby Laboratories. I'm Jack Buser.
Craig Eggers: And I'm Craig Eggers.
Jack: And we're here to give you the straight talk on everything you need to please your ears.
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Jack: We're back. It's Dolbycast. Jack Buser, Craig Eggers, here to tell you everything you need to please your ears. How you doing, Craig?
Craig: We are road-weary warriors.
Jack: [laughs] That is a true statement.
Craig: In our last session, we talked about the CEDIA show.
Jack: Yeah.
Craig: But I know that you've been to Europe, as well as Japan.
Jack: Yes.
Craig: And we should probably talk about some of those things.
Jack: I have been on an airplane, almost nonstop now, since we recorded those famous, or infamous, Abbey Road podcasts. [laughs]
Craig: There you go again. There you go again.
Jack: And actually, I was over there for the IFA trade show.
Craig: What's IFA?
Jack: IFA is probably, arguably...
Craig: Can you say it?
Jack: IFA.
Craig: No, no, no. IFA stands for something. “International” what?
Jack: Oh, I can't say it. International Funkausstellung...
Craig: Funkausstellung, yeah.
Jack: Something. It's a radio show.
Craig: I apologize to our German listeners for just...
Jack: Yeah. [laughs] All of our German listeners are like, "That's not it."
Craig: Yeah.
Jack: Essentially, it's a trade show in Germany.
Craig: And where's it at?
Jack: It's one of the largest, if not the largest consumer electronics trade show in the world.
Craig: And it really is a consumer show.
Jack: It really is. Actual consumers go. It's kind of the coolest thing, because even if you're not in the industry, you just want to go check out the latest and greatest from all the manufacturers, show up at IFA, wander the halls. It's crazy, actually.
Craig: It's kind of in competition with the whole ICES thing, only it is really geared towards consumers.
Jack: Well, CES is truly an industry show. IFA is definitely something for the consumers.
Craig: It's industry and consumers.
Jack: It's like a fair, if you will.
Craig: Yeah.
Jack: It's crazy. It's absolute, absolute chaos. It's wonderful. If you're into this kind of stuff, and you want to just completely immerse yourself in consumer electronics for a couple days, fly out to Germany for IFA, and it will not disappoint, I promise you.
Craig: Now, did you go to any beer halls or anything while you were there?
Jack: I didn't have time. In fact, they did have a beer hall, though, at IFA. It was sort of a pseudo-cafeteria beer hall, and we managed to make use of that after hours. It wasn't too bad.
Craig: Uh-huh, uh-huh.
Jack: But it's right there in the heart of Berlin. And Berlin is a wonderful city—a very technically advanced city at that. So we visited some of the local consumer electronics retailers, like Saturn, there. I mean, it's just amazing: floor after floor. Now, here's a funny thing. In Saturn, I bought a couple things.
Craig: Saturn is like an electronics retail store.
Jack: Yeah, a huge electronics retail store over there.
Craig: Yeah, right.
Jack: And I'm checking out. No credit cards. Cash only. Can you believe that?
Craig: Really?
Jack: Yeah. Cash only. It was the weirdest thing.
Craig: Dude, how'd you buy anything? Without the credit card, you're sunk.
Jack: You know what? I had to hit the ATM. [laughs]
Craig: [laughs]
Jack: They had the 60-inch plasma there. And I asked the lady who was checking me out, "How do you buy a 60-inch plasma with cash?"
Craig: Yeah. Amazing.
Jack: I don't know. I don't know. A wheelbarrow of cash, I guess.
Craig: But you know that country is obsessed with high-tech. They really and truly are.
Jack: Yeah. It really is. That's one of the great things about Germany, traveling to Germany. You go to Japan, definitely, Japan is very technologically forward. Germany is as well, actually, the UK, of course, if any of our British listeners are listening and saying, "Hey!" These are just countries that, definitely, if you're into tech, travel to these countries. Each one has its own little twist on the entertainment technology industry. It's a lot of fun.
Craig: Yeah. I have to tell you, as you're speaking, we're already getting our first hate note from our producer, Scott.
Jack: We are. [laughs]
Craig: Ladies and gentlemen, Scott is back!
Jack: Scott is back, ladies and gentlemen! Scott, our producer, and we've been talking about Scott almost consistently since episode one.
Craig: Yes.
Jack: But I'd like to emphasize that this is the original Scott.
Craig: This is the original Scott.
Jack: Our producer is back, and he is telling us: let's talk about the next show.
Craig: “ Hate” is a strong word.
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Jack: I love Scott. He razzes us good. He keeps us in line.
Craig: Yes, he does.
Jack: So now, what is the second show we were going to talk about? We talked about CEDIA before. Oh, CEATEC.
Craig: CEATEC, in Japan.
Jack: How could I forget CEATEC? Boy, that was a blast.
Craig: Some very cool announcements there, too.
Jack: Absolutely. You know what? I bet we'd better go to a break. When we come back, we're going to talk about CEATEC in Japan.
Craig: OK.
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Announcer: You're listening to Dolbycast, with Jack Buser and Craig Eggers. Email them at dolbycast@dolby.com.
Craig: Back at Dolbycast, with Mr. Jack Buser and Craig Eggers. And Jack, you were just talking about IFA. And from IFA, you traveled from Berlin to Tokyo.
Jack: That's right, for CEATEC, which is another extremely large consumer electronics trade show.
Craig: Huge, huge, and very important show.
Jack: Oh, it was great. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh...
Craig: A lot of new technologies that we actually see at the CES show in January actually debut in the CEATEC show.
Jack: That's actually quite true. CEATEC is wonderful. Anybody that's been to Japan will tell you that this is truly one of the most [laughs] technologically advanced countries in the world. And to go to a trade show where you're actually seeing technology and gear that's not even out on the Japanese market yet is just an absolute blast. I saw so much there. It was just—oh, my gosh. I am without words.
Craig: So I understand there were 3 key highlights at the CEATEC show.
Jack: There were. In my mind, I was really excited to see a company there, which our listeners might not be familiar with, but it's a company called acTVila. That's spelled “A-C-T-V-I-L-A”. And it's a service that allows Japanese TVs to connect to the Internet. And you can actually check the weather. You can check your finances, I guess. You can do all the things that you want to do on the Internet, but you can actually do it through your TV.
Craig: We've actually had some product announcements here in the States, from Sony and some of the Korean companies, talking about Internet connectivity in terms of television sets.
Jack: It was red hot.
Craig: So this is probably the realization of that, huh?
Jack: That's right. It was red hot at the show. There wasn't a manufacturer there that wasn't talking about that. I'm sure maybe there was a couple that weren't, but [laughs] I couldn't find them. You had Sony showing Internet connectivity of their TV sets, Panasonic. Just all the big TV manufacturers were there showing what a broadband Internet connection could do.
Craig: So, an Internet-addressable television set, what's the benefits? What do I get from that, Jack?
Jack: Well, for me, the thing can actually stream high-definition video over the Internet right to your TV. It's the coolest thing!
Craig: There you go. OK. OK.
Jack: You sit there, on demand, and watch TV shows and movies and whatever, right there over the Internet, right into your TV over your broadband connection. And in Japan, they have what's called “fiber to the home” in a lot of homes.
Craig: Right.
Jack: Essentially, what “fiber to the home” means, it's basically an extremely fast Internet connection right to your home. And so they were showing what an 8 megabit a second Internet connection can do when partnered with this acTVila service. And truly, you were watching high-definition video right there over the Internet. It was amazing.
Craig: Very cool. So was this 720p?
Jack: I don't know.
Craig: OK.
Jack: I don't know what it was. I'm sure, if you read fluent Japanese and go to actvila.jp, [laughs] you can probably find out. But my Japanese isn't all that good.
Craig: There you go. There you go. Fire up those computers and check it out, huh?
Jack: Absolutely.
Craig: So that was one very cool thing. I understand there were some really cool display technologies.
Jack: Well, display technology really dominated the show, in my opinion. We had, obviously, Pioneer's, basically, display of the new Kuro line of plasma TVs.
Craig: You know, Pioneer invested a half a billion dollars in developing their new plasma TVs. And they look great.
Jack: Well, “kuro” stands for black. It actually means “black” in Japanese. And the whole focus of these TVs is that finally they're able to really, truly reproduce blacks with this new line of plasma TVs. They look great.
The other big display technology at the show that was out there on the main show floor was Sony's OLED.
Craig: Organic LED.
Jack: Organic LED, which is, again, another display technology they were showing in an 11-inch display.
Craig: There's actually talk of OLEDs being able to be, basically, like a piece of plastic that you could actually fold...
Jack: Is that right? [laughs]
Craig: It's not necessarily a traditional display-type device. It's something that, literally, you could wrap up and unwrap.
Jack: Interesting. Interesting.
Craig: All kinds of cool applications for OLED in the future.
Jack: The TV looked great. It was very small—11 inches, again, and quite thin—and was drawing a lot of attention at the show. And then there was a third display technology, actually, at the show.
Craig: From a company we're familiar with.
Jack: From a company we're familiar with.
Craig: Yes.
Jack: And this is sort of an exciting thing to talk about because it was a display technology actually being introduced by Dolby Laboratories. And it's a new suite of video technologies, actually. One's called Dolby Vision. The other one's Dolby Contrast. And we should probably do a whole podcast on these technologies.
Craig: Definitely.
Jack: Essentially, we're going to be doing for video what we did for audio.
Craig: So, hey, listeners, in a future podcast, we're going to have some special guests in, and we'll talk about what Dolby is doing to enhance video.
Jack: Absolutely, some of our new video technologies.
Craig: Stay tuned, listeners.
Jack: Absolutely. Now listen, on that note, I just realized that we forgot to do something.
Craig: No, we haven't forgotten. It's right in front of me.
Jack: [laughs] This is my favorite part.
Craig: It is the reader question. The reader question.
Jack: Reader question.
Craig: How's our mail doing? Have you checked our mail?
Jack: Our mail is doing quite well. Again, we are inundated with listener questions.
Craig: Again?
Jack: We are.
Craig: So we have to do a whole other session again, or maybe two again.
Jack: [laughs] We may well have to, because we're, again, falling behind in listener questions. But if you do have questions, we will be sure to answer your question on air if you write us in at dolbycast@dolby.com.
Craig: What's that address again?
Jack: Dolbycast@dolby.com. And this is my favorite part of the show, so please send in those questions. We love to answer these questions on air.
Craig: Excellent.
Jack: What have you got for me?
Craig: So, Jack, we've got question from a listener by the name of Dusty.
Jack: Yes.
Craig: And Dusty says, "I've been listening to your podcast from the beginning. I have enjoyed every minute of it." He's probably talking about me.
Jack: Oh, OK. OK, OK. Thanks, Dusty.
Craig: Yeah.
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Craig: "I know I will have future questions, but hope you can help me out. First, I have a Yamaha RX-V657 AV receiver. "
Jack: Nice.
Craig: "A Motorola digital cable box."
Jack: Nice.
Craig: And check this out: "A Sharp AQUOS display device." That's very nice.
Jack: Very nice.
Craig: "I'm planning on buying a Blu-ray Sharp AQUOS player. "
Jack: Oh, that's a great player.
Craig: Good for you. "My Yamaha does not have HDMI inputs, so the only thing right now that is HDMI is the cable box going to the TV, to the Sharp AQUOS."
Jack: Right.
Craig: "I am looking for an HDMI selector that can control these devices. Also, I want it to be rackable, sleek, preferably remote-controlled, not the push-button type. If you guys can help me, la la la la la."
Jack: No problem. So, essentially, what you're doing, Dusty, is you've got your cable box, if I understand this correctly, hooked up to your display directly with HDMI. You're going to be adding a Sharp AQUOS Blu-ray player.
Craig: Right. And that's going to have HDMI out.
Jack: And that's going to have another HDMI.
Craig: Right.
Jack: And now you need a switcher, because your display probably only has one HDMI, I'm assuming.
Craig: Well, his AV receiver probably doesn't have HDMI.
Jack: Well, he's going directly to his TV. Now, if your TV has two HDMI ins, you might just be able to use your TV as a switcher, right?
Craig: Exactly, and go.
Jack: Now, but I'm going to assume you wouldn't be asking the question unless you actually needed a switcher. So I did a little bit of research.
Craig: Do we know if this Yamaha has HDMI inputs?
Jack: He says it does not, if I recall correctly, right?
Craig: OK.
Jack: So your receiver does not have HDMI, which is why you're going directly to the display.
Craig: Yeah, "My Yamaha does not have an HDMI input." OK.
Jack: That's right. So, essentially, I did a little bit of research and I came up with a couple solutions. And I know you found a different one, but the one that popped out at me was by a company called Gefen. And I actually know these guys, because they're at all the shows, and they have all kinds of cool peripherals and devices for solving exactly this kind of problem.
Craig: Right.
Jack: I actually just bought a box from them for boosting the HDMI signal, believe it or not, and it works quite well. So I can recommend these guys from first-hand experience: Gefen. And the one I picked out for you is actually their new HDMI 1.3 switcher. And it'll switch between 4 sources. So, not only will it switch to your Blu-ray player and your cable box, but if you decide to add a game console with HDMI, or any other future device, you'll have two more inputs ready to go.
The cool thing about it is that it also has a remote control that comes with it, I believe. Although, check their website to make sure, but I believe it does come with an infrared remote control.
And it looks to be rack mountable. It looks to be standard rack size. You will probably have to special request rack ears. I looked up, down, left, right, and center on their website to see if it came with rack ears, and I didn't see anything. But they do have other products that do have rack ears included in the box. So you might want to give them a call and ask them specifically if it's rack mountable. It looks absolutely like it is.
Craig: And Dusty, my suggestion. I worked with a gentleman by the name of Michael Tsinberg when I was at Toshiba launching DVD. Michael actually received an Emmy for his work in DVD.
Jack: Is that right?
Craig: He founded another company called Key Digital, which I'm sure you're familiar with, too.
Jack: I am very well.
Craig: Key Digital supplies a lot of the digital switching stuff for video, for retailers as well as, basically, our licensee partners for trade shows, etc. Keydigital.com. I'd recommend that you go there. Check that out. Michael and his company might be able to also satisfy what you're looking for.
Jack: Key Digital's a very cool company. Actually, both Gefen and Key Digital make all these cool devices that solve all these problems that you run across when you're building your home theater. And I've got to tell you, one of my favorite parts about home theater is tweaking it.
Craig: Tweaking it.
Jack: And all these cool little devices.
Craig: Adding another remote to the system, huh? There you go.
Jack: Adding another remote and doing all this cool stuff. Both these companies are actually excellent sources to solve these kinds of problems.
Craig: So, should we give our listeners a break from us for a minute here?
Jack: Let's give them a break. When we come back, I actually want to talk about another device that I just added to my home theater setup, which is also an Internet device: the VUDU box.
Craig: And I have some shout-outs, because I've added some very new content to my home experiences, and it's just absolutely incredible.
Jack: Alright. We'll talk about it when we get right back.
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Jack: And we're back here at Dolbycast, where I get to talk about my favorite new product, the VUDU box.
Craig: The VUDU box, powered by Dolby Digital Plus.
Jack: That's right, actually. It is Dolby Digital Plus.
Craig: So, let's give our listeners a refresher. What is Dolby Digital Plus?
Jack: Well, Dolby Digital Plus is the latest flavor of Dolby Digital, and it allows people who want to deliver lots of sound—lots of specifically 5.1 sound—down a narrow pipe, like the Internet or IPTV, or even some of the broadcast pipes when you have lots of channels.
Craig: Right.
Jack: It actually allows you to fit full 5.1-channel audio over these different platforms.
Craig: In limited-bandwidth applications.
Jack: Limited-bandwidth applications. I couldn't have said it better myself.
Craig: Like IPTV, like future DBS, possibly cable.
Jack: Absolutely.
Craig: Now, we should say that, when we've talked about Dolby Digital Plus in the past, we've talked about Dolby Digital Plus for Blu-ray and HD DVD.
Jack: Yeah.
Craig: And in those applications, we have a lot of data available to us to take advantage of on the disc. That enables us to have higher bitrates than Dolby Digital...
Jack: Right.
Craig:.. .which gives us, basically, better-than-DVD quality sound, the capability for up to 7.1 channels in Blu-ray and HD DVD.
Jack: That's right.
Craig: Now, that's the high-bitrate side of Dolby Digital Plus. But there's actually a lower, more efficient side of Dolby Digital that we also call Dolby Digital Plus that has some of these new efficiencies built-in that enable...
Jack: That enable you to deliver great sound over a narrow pipe. And what's great about it is it's the same Dolby Digital Plus. So it's completely compatible, one way or the other. You can scale it way up in bitrate, scale it way back in bitrate. As these pipes cease to be narrow and they widen out, like, let's say you're getting more bandwidth over the Internet in the future, you can actually just turn up the data rate of your content and actually, theoretically, make it sound as good as an HD DVD or Blu-ray disc.
Craig: And even potentially deliver 7.1, too.
Jack: Absolutely. Oh, Dolby Digital Plus is the coolest thing. What's ultra-cool about it is that—remember, my receiver does not have Dolby Digital Plus built-in.
Craig: Right.
Jack: And what's cool about Dolby Digital Plus, as it comes into the VUDU box, it actually, on the fly, turns itself into Dolby Digital.
Craig: So it converts it to a standard, Dolby Digital, 640 kilobit per second signal.
Jack: That's exactly right.
Craig: Which is compatible with every receiver on the market, right?
Jack: Every receiver. And it does Dolby Digital over HDMI. It also does Dolby Digital over a standard S/PDIF or TOSLINK connection. So it's pretty much compatible with any receiver that'd be realistically in a home today.
Craig: But for those listeners who are buying new AV receivers with Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus built into them, we have to say we expect, in the future, you'll see set-top boxes that'll have HDMI out.
Jack: Yeah. Maybe it'll pass the bitstream.
Craig: That'll pass the bitstream directly to your AV receiver, and you'll actually do decoding there. But for built-in compatibility, one of the cool things about Dolby Digital Plus is this ability to convert that Dolby Digital Plus signal to a standard Dolby Digital.
Jack: Dolby Digital. And that's the way I have it set up. And I've got to tell you, here's how you set this box up. Little set-top box, right? VUDU. If you don't know it, Google it.
Craig: VUDU.
Jack: VUDU.com, actually. You buy this little box. You put it in your house. I took one HDMI cable from the box and plugged it into my receiver. I was done with setup. Plugged it into the wall, of course. And of course, a broadband Internet connection in the back. And all of a sudden, the thing pops up and it says, "Oh! What do you want to do? Do you want to watch a movie?"
Let's see. I even printed out the menu here. You can find a movie, the new releases. You can have “my movies” that you've saved. You can have a “wish list”. And basically, what you do is you just choose from their library of movies, and you can watch any of them. I think they've got like 5,000 movies now, where you can just, literally, click on a movie you want to watch, and boom, it instantly starts streaming down.
Craig: So, VUDU is a new device that connects to the Internet that enables us to download high-definition. Is it a high-definition?
Jack: It is. The box is capable of high-definition. None of the movies that I played were HD, but they have a great upscaler built into the box. The average person would be hard pressed to know that they were not watching a DVD. And the fantastic thing about it is that it's using the Internet to deliver this stuff. It's just great. You've got 2 choices with most movies, or with a lot of the movies, anyway: you can either rent or buy.
Craig: OK.
Jack: And then, if I get my numbers right—and I printed this out so I didn't mess this up. But essentially, the rental goes from, I think, 99 cents for the cheapest stuff. And where did I put that piece of paper? It's here somewhere.
Craig: While you're looking for that, let me ask you a question.
Jack: Yeah.
Craig: Now, am I watching movies, real time, being streamed? Or does the VUDU box take the movies from the Internet, stream it down, store it on a hard disk drive, and then play it back for me?
Jack: It is literally streaming.
Craig: OK.
Jack: So you pick any of the 5,000 movies, and you click, "I want to watch this one," and boom, it instantly starts streaming over the Internet. How they do it, do not ask me. It just works.
Craig: Now, do you know what speed connection you need to be able to enjoy VUDU?
Jack: So, here we go. High-speed broadband Internet connection, 3 megabits per second: advertised. That's pretty fast.
Craig: OK, yeah.
Jack: 2.0 actual, they say, for instant viewing. And you need 1.5 megabits per second advertised, 1.2 actual, for delayed viewing, meaning you click it and you've got to wait a second or 2 for it to get started. So, if you have DSL, you're ready to go with this thing.
Craig: OK.
Jack: I have cable modem, and it's actually quite fast, and I got instant, instant, on-demand response from this thing. It was amazing.
Craig: So you've already invested in this, Jack.
Jack: I invested in it. It is wonderful.
Craig: This is another box in the Buser household.
Jack: It is out of the box.
Craig: [laughs]
Jack: My wife and I, I kid you not, went to just the foreign films, right? And we spent an hour and a half going through all the different foreign films. They have so many movies—stuff you wouldn't even imagine: Hong Kong movies, Bollywood, just all kinds of crazy stuff. And just going through the titles was such a blast. It was unbelievable. You can preview most of the movies; just watch the trailer, that kind of stuff. I mean, it's the coolest thing. Where the heck did I put that price?
Craig: So it sounds like a really cool way to broaden your horizons, learn about new content and new movies, see what other people are watching. And the cool thing about it is, with Dolby Digital Plus, you enjoy it in your home theater in multi-channel surround sound.
Jack: In full 5.1. It's great.
Craig: That's very cool.
Jack: Here we go, pricing. I found it.
Craig: Yeah, pricing.
Jack: Here we go. So, when you rent a movie, it ranges from 99 cents to $3.99. And when you purchase a movie, it goes from $4.99 to $19.99.
And you might ask, "What's the difference?" Well, if you just want to watch a movie once, rent it. But if it's a movie you're going to want to watch over and over and over again, you want to buy it. And the movie that I bought was SpongeBob SquarePants: the Movie, because I've got a 2-year old, and she loves that movie. And now, every time she wants to watch it, boom, fire up the VUDU box and it's there.
Craig: When you're streaming the movie, can I hit “pause”?
Jack: Yeah, of course.
Craig: So I can hit “pause” and get up...
Jack: Absolutely. It works just like your DVD player or your VCR.
Craig: And just release “pause”, and then start the movie back up.
Jack: The other cool thing is that if you're watching a movie and you're like, "Oh, Harrison Ford 's in this movie. What other movies does VUDU have with Harrison Ford? Because I love Harrison Ford." Boom, you can actually search by actor. You can do it that way. I mean, it's just like the coolest thing.
Craig: Interesting.
Jack: It harnesses the power of the Internet to allow you to watch movies.
Craig: In a previous podcast, we talked about new ways of delivering music, as well as video, via the Internet.
Jack: Yeah.
Craig: This sounds like one very, very cool way of doing it.
Jack: Absolutely. I'm just sitting here flipping through these pieces of paper I printed out so I wouldn't forget anything, and it's just making me want to go home and watch more movies on this thing. [laughs] It is the funnest thing. It is the funnest thing.
Craig: Well, while you're thinking about going home and watching some movies, I have some special shout-outs.
Jack: You do. Go ahead, please.
Craig: First of all, Mr. John Kellogg. John Kellogg is a long-time employee of Dolby Laboratories. And John and I were down in Hollywood last week talking about 7.1 to the Hollywood studios, trying to figure out how we're going to do this and develop some amazing new ways of bringing better entertainment to the consumer. But John lifted up the trunk of his car, and lo and behold was the entire Doors collection on DVD-Audio.
Jack: That's cool. I bet you died on that one.
Craig: Multi-channel Doors on DVD-Audio. And I've got to tell you, it was fantastic.
Jack: [laughs]
Craig: It is fantastic. And I told John, I said, "John, if you let me take this home, you know you're not going to get it back." And John, you're not going to get it back.
Jack: [laughs]
Craig: One other special shout-out.
Jack: Go ahead.
Craig: One other special shout-out. Robin Hurley of Rhino Records.
Jack: Yeah.
Craig: Robin has been releasing all kinds of multi-channel audio content in the past. He's been a great supporter of high-definition audio. I bought the two Talking Heads DVD-Audio discs.
Jack: You're loving this, huh?
Craig: And if you're a T-Heads fan and you've got the capability to listen to DVD-Audio, this is absolutely incredible.
Jack: Listen. That's all the time we have for Dolbycast. My name is Jack Buser.
Craig: And I'm Craig Eggers.
Jack: And we'll see you next time.
Craig: Take care.
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